enigmaticrose replied to your post: Watching Supernatural
they mispronounce the Latin a lot. It’s one thing that really irks me.Really? I was actually wondering about that, because I always suspected that if they did, barely anyone would realize it. I don’t know much about…
It’s probably for the best, really. Kinda suck if they said it all perfectly and accidentally summoned up Beelzebub or banished an incognito archangel in the middle of a shoot.
every girl in supernatural is blonde
I am confused :(
Nah, there’s brunettes and redheads too. There’s been Missouri, Madison, Cassie, Ava, Ruby 2.0, Lisa, Jody, Anna, Risa, Titanic!verse Ellen, Annie, Meg 2.0, Charlie, Gwen, Pamela, Krissy, Daphne, Nancy, Eve, and probably others I don’t remember offhand.
POCs and women are portrayed really poorly in Supernatural. All of them, females AND POCs, die or turn into flat antagonists or both. There is one woman who has survived until this point, and she is a demon whose motives the audience is constantly told to question -and whom we never really get to know. NO POCs have survived the show that I can think of. I mean, please correct me if I’m wrong, but this show is as biblically epic in its depiction of minorities as it is in its plots and themes
Not really arguing the point, but for the record, Missouri, Cassie and Joshua are all good guys and still alive (at least as far as we know.)
I dunno what to tell you man, you must be doing something wrong. I still don’t see the Sam hate. Then again, I am shockingly liberal with the use of Tumblr Savior and the ‘block’ option, and pretty picky about who I follow and what tags I track.
I wouldn’t go so far as to say I never see any hate at all. Just not the Sam hate I keep hearing about, for whatever reason, apart from an occasional secret in this comm. (I mainly see Cas/Misha hate reblogged and rebutted by other people, and Anna hate—particularly in connection with the damn handprint—is annoyingly common.) Bobby hate seems to be exceedingly rare, though I see a fair amount of Bobby indifference. Sera hate was all over the place for a while, but it died down a little while before her replacement was announced. I don’t really see much of the J2 wife hate I keep hearing about either. Hate on other characters I don’t find excessively interesting I tend not to pay much attention to, I’ll admit.
I suspect, though, that it has as much to do with who and what you do choose to follow as what you don’t. I don’t ship either of the major pairings, for example, and only follow people who do incidentally because they also post a lot of non-shippy stuff; I imagine if I was deliberately seeking out hotbeds of Dean/Cas fandom, it’d be much more difficult to screen out the Sam hate, and if I followed a lot of Wincesty stuff it’d be harder not to see Cas hate. I probably see and notice Anna hate more than a lot of people do because she’s a particular interest of mine. OTOH, I’m not that interested in the actors’ lives outside their roles, so I don’t go where I’d see a lot of griping about the wives.
He’d hand Dean a mop, Sam a BIG mop, and tell Cas, “Ohh no mister, you go get the floor waxer.”
You don’t like a character? Fine, bleat about it and make yourself feel better to your heart’s content, in fandom spaces where you’re not hurting anybody. Enjoy. May the Force be with you.
But you make a serious attempt on the livelihood of a man who’s got a small child to support, because he interferes with your happy fun times?
GET THE HELL OFF MY GODDAMN INTERNET, YOU STUPID, SELF-ABSORBED, JUVENILE, ENTITLED LITTLE FUCKS.
Unless you’re prepared to personally look West Collins in the eye and explain to him that his Daddy doesn’t have a job anymore because you didn’t like seeing him on your favorite TV show, get your heads out of your asses and go back to whining amongst your idiot selves. (And if you are ready to do that, then nm, you’re beyond help. You’re going to the Special Hell.)
That is all.
Seriously, though, Dabb and Loflin… Yellow Fever. I Believe the Children Are Our Future. Sam, Interrupted. Hammer of the Gods. Family Matters. Unforgiven. The Girl Next Door. Season 7, Time for a Wedding.
All of these episodes are either just flat-out terrible, really problematic in like bright…
I loved Weekend at Bobby’s, liked Yellow Fever and Hammer of the Gods, and Frontierland and Dark Side had their moments. The rest… *shrugs* I didn’t feel strongly enough about them to have an opinion one way or the other, really.
In all honesty, I didn’t start paying that much attention to who wrote which episode until sometime in the middle of Season 6, and I’m still not sure I have a clear favorite, though I like a number of Edlund’s and Carver’s episodes very much. Gamble had a couple of winners and a bunch I found eminently forgettable.
Of course, there’s only a very small handful of episodes I truly dislike, and I’d have to go back through the seasons to get most of the titles…’The Song Remains the Same’ comes immediately to mind (and even that one had a few redeeming scenes.)
Perhaps Dabb and Loflin get spared the criticism because they don’t write noticeably to one character? I notice Edlund seems to be popular among Cas fans and Gamble with Sam fans. Is there a particularly strong Dean writer, and do D&L seem to favor one character over others? I see both Dean- and Sam- (and Bobby-) centric episodes in that list.
Idk, I’ve been reading some of the fan quotes these ‘Silent Majority’ people have posted, and while I have no intention of joining their ‘movement,’ I do think much of the criticism is fair.
There has been a sense of emotional disconnectedness, inattention to canon and continuity, a weak S7 middle-of-season, lack of classic Winchester brother dynamic, pointless or dead-end story arcs, too little Impala, unimpressive Big Bads, too much stuff that Sam and Dean were merely trying to react to rather than being personally invested in, and the finale was a bit anticlimactic. Even Misha, I’ve heard, has been quoted as saying “The plan for Season 8 is for the story line to make sense again.” So I’m not entirely unsympathetic to the impulse behind this thing.
I agree, however, with those who don’t like to see fans turning the writing of a show into some sort of activist cause. I also think that if the creators were really on the ball, a lot of these problems could have been solved to the satisfaction (or more satisfaction than we got, anyway) of both the ‘Two Brothers/MOtW’ and the collective ‘Other Stuff Too’ camps, rather than sacrificing one aspect of the show or another. Supernatural has room for it all, if it’s done right.
Overall, I think my opinion was best summed up by the fan who said, “Dear SPN writers: please go back and watch seasons 1-5 before writing a single line of S8. Thanks.” Really hoping Carver & Company take that advice to heart. But fans trying to make a big campaign out of it just invites people to co-opt the whole thing in support of their wanky pet peeves of choice, whether that was the original intention or not, so, yeah. Not for me.
- Furthermore, the owner of this blog will ignore the #silentmajority campaign, because it is ridiculous to claim you speak for more than half of the fandom. Proof? No, proof, so change your title, please.
Yes, this blog ships Dean and Castiel with the force of a thousand burning suns. Have a problem with that? I don’t care.- No, this blog doesn’t hate Sam. In fact, the owner of this blog loves Sam and acknowledges that Supernatural is the story of two brothers. The owner enjoys their bond immensely. That doesn’t mean the monster-of-week format works anymore. Because it doesn’t. Proof, season 7.
- Supernatural is not season 1/2 anymore. Get over it. A show needs to progress and not regress.
- The owner of this blog appreciates and loves almost all side-characters, respects their character development and doesn’t want them to be treated like tools for the plot.
- The owner of this blog thinks Castiel is just as important as Sam and Dean. In fact, the owner supports Team Free Will.
- The owner of this blog wants a Dean-centric season where he gets the chance to be involved with the myth arc regardless of how much his brother or other characters are involved. Dean needs a chance to heal. He needs a chance to be independent. He needs a chance to shine.
- No, the owner of this blog does NOT believe Dean’s entire existence revolves around taking care of his brother. And Sam doesn’t believe it either, as seen below.
What she said, exclusive of the struckthrough bit.
I don’t know about ‘getting over herself.’ I do wonder whether she regretted it in hindsight when she realized she really was going to die.
I also wonder whether Edlund intended the implication that Anna, who made the opposite choice in Season 4, had no self-respect.
astaraels:um, okay
why do people consider GABRIEL to be more of a member of team free will than ANNA
…
even when she was “glenn close” (which URGHHH) she was still actively trying to STOP THE APOCALYPSE and save the most lives by the method she considered to be the most logical
whereas gabriel didn’t care about the world and the people in it—he practically had to be dragged kicking and screaming before he did what we would consider to be ‘the right thing’
I adore them both and consider them both to be members of TFW.
That said, let’s remember that Anna didn’t really want back in the game either; she recovered her grace because Heaven and Hell were trying to use her as the rope in their tug-of-war over access to Angel FM, and she needed to become an angel again to survive.
She resigned herself to the necessity quicker than Gabriel did, but then she also hadn’t been successfully hiding nearly as long, and Gabe had less of a personal investment in the situation: he’d never hero-worshipped or slept with Dean, had no history with Cas that we know of, hadn’t had his parents slaughtered by demons, and he’d long ago cut ties with everybody he did once have connections with.
But in the end, he stood up to Lucifer and made the case for humanity, and he did leave the guys the answer to putting the genie back in the bottle. I wouldn’t put him above Anna, but I’d say he earned a place on the team.
Seriously, trying to plot out a long story that has to coincide at least somewhat with events that happen in the show is a severe pain in the ass when the timeline is so vague you’re pretty much guessing every step of the way.
Oh, hey, Sam said ‘yes’ to Lucifer sometime or other in Detroit but…
My headcanon for 2014 is that it wasn’t just Dean’s choice to reunite with Sam or not that made the difference. I see Zachariah as looking ahead at a lot of different potential futures in which Dean said no/didn’t call Sam back, and cherry-picking the absolute worst-case scenario he could find to persuade Dean.
So 2014 was the endgame if Cas, Bobby, Adam, Gabriel, Anna, Michael, Crowley, and everyone else whose choices could have affected anything made equally bad mistakes, neither Dean nor Sam ever changed his mind despite multiple chances to do so, and basically Lucifer was the only one who didn’t screw the pooch. Some events played out similarly but others turned out significantly different, or never happened at all.
Hence, we’re free to make up pretty much any explanation we want for why one Croatoan event or another doesn’t seem to match up with the plot as it actually played out. Maybe the virus started going out later because Lucifer felt under less pressure to move things along as quickly, or the initial 2010 shipment was still stopped but a later one succeeded. Crowley may have decided that Dean would never be able to kill his brother, and passed the Colt along to somebody he felt was a better bet. Possibly Zachariah deliberately picked a scenario in which Adam said no or was judged an insufficient substitute, because he didn’t want to tip Dean off that they were holding Adam in reserve in case all else failed.
(Don’t mind me, I love speculating on this sort of thing.)
Okay. Not a practicing anything, not running around kermitflailing, and I get that in this fandom at this late date it may be a case of barn door/horse, but. Does anyone else find it at least vaguely disturbing to see a couple pages of apparently authentic demon-summoning sigils being casually passed around?
One problem I had with this season is that they openly contradicted themselves at least a couple of times. The one that comes immediately to mind is Bobby’s ghost arc, in which they played up the fact that ghosts inevitably turn vengeful and violent and Sam even says (if I remember right) that there are no known “Casper” cases.
…except that just a few episodes ago, in 7x19 (‘Of Grave Importance,’) we met two helpful/protective ghosts, at least one of whom had been around for a very long time (and that’s not including Annie who had just died like a day before.)
And in 7x07, one of the ghosts was trying to warn people about the other, her murderous sister. In the same episode, Ellen gets a message to Dean via a medium to tell someone how badly he was hurting (as an aside, did anyone else notice that one of the brotherly psychic acts the museum curator mentioned was the Campbells?)
In 6x04, while not necessarily friendly per se, Gavin McLeod was perfectly rational and cooperative about giving Bobby dirt on Crowley.
In 5x09, the schoolmistress ghost was keeping the evil kid-ghosts from hurting people.
In 2x16, Molly had no interest in harming anyone and just wanted to know what happened to her husband and why some old geezer was chasing her.
And of course, in 1x09, Mary Winchester sacrificed herself to save her boys. (Granted, she did go after her murderer, Azazel—but she was hardly an irrational killing machine.)
Am I missing any? I bet I am.
Now I’ll grant you that none of these ghosts were ever full-time companions to the boys (or anyone else that we saw.) Not all of them were murdered, either. But still, it just somehow seems out of place for Bobby to go downhill so rapidly when there’s precedent to suggest that it’s not always inevitable, and when it was made very clear in 7x10 that he didn’t stay behind out of a burning desire for revenge on Dick Roman, but because he loved his boys and they needed him.
